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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://feal.org/blog2/you-are-the-path.html/comment-page-1#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(NOTE: part of my response to a slight variation on Amber&#039;s comment is located at &lt;a href=&quot;http://feal.org/blog2/archives/2004/10/21/dialogue-relationship-and-needing-approval/&quot; title=&quot;Dialogue with a friend&quot;&gt;Dialogue with a friend&lt;/a&gt;)

Hi Amber,
In regards to ego-self and Divine Self, and self-realisation as opposed to Self-Realisation. Well, I don&#039;t have an immediate brief answer to this question. I could explain it in a much longer reply but I don&#039;t feel to just now (most likely because I want to go to bed shortly). What I will say is that the ego is always on the path of &quot;attaining&quot; something. It also seldom takes responsibility for what it is experiencing. It tends to project outward rather than turn everything inward. Hence if you are operating from that place then you will tend to see yourself relating to life in that way.

Divine Self (as you put it) has nothing to attain. It already is what it is --- exactly as God created it. It&#039;s only interest in this world is in letting go --- in release. Release of that which is not real so that you wake up to what IS real. Divine Self tends to turn everything inward as opposed to projecting outward. Divine Self is joyful and peaceful. Ego-self is disturbed and quite often rather messed up.

Now, neither is right or wrong. Even if you experiencing yourself approaching life from what you might identify as &quot;ego self&quot;, your Divine Self is untouched by this. Hence it is a matter of choice (at some level). So the key is not to judge yourself when you are aware that you&#039;re operating from what you might call ego-self. No, rather the key is to embrace everything. Love. Accept. Allow. Release. You can only release that which you are willing to gently and lovingly hold in your hand. Don&#039;t fight with the ego-self. It&#039;s neither good nor bad. It is whatever you make it.

In regards to the &quot;Created by you&quot; part. Well, it&#039;s not so much that you are choosing suffering. The suffering part of your experience --- I would say --- is actually about how you choose to relate to what you are perceiving in your world. Resistance to what is tends to create the experience of pain. Pain is not &quot;Bad&quot; or &quot;negative&quot; --- albeit it is not exactly pleasant when one is engaged in the experience of it. Pain is a perfect &quot;mechanism&quot; for waking us up to where and how we are forgetting our Divinity in any given moment.

Also, this word &quot;choice&quot; --- It doesn&#039;t feel accurate to say &quot;you have chosen absolutely everything that has happened to you on this Earth&quot;. Yes, choices are made. But the consequences are governed by certain laws and principles that have nothing to do with your choices (at least not at a level you&#039;re likely to be conscious of).
If I choose to bang my head against a wall and I feel pain in my head as a result, I have not exactly chosen to feel pain in my head. No, I simply choose to bang my head against a wall. The pain I feel in my head afterwards is simple a natural consequence of that action within this world of matter. We make so many choices in every moment right throughout time and space and the consequences of these can get rather intricate and complicated (from a human point of view). This is actualy a way of describing Karma.

That&#039;s all for now.

With love,
Jonathan

PS. I am not sure what you mean by this sentence: &quot;I’m wondering does there has to be ‘wounding’ at play with what arrives (or rather I have chosen) in my life and if love just dances with love, no unravelling required, no story to dismantle.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(NOTE: part of my response to a slight variation on Amber&#8217;s comment is located at <a href="http://feal.org/blog2/archives/2004/10/21/dialogue-relationship-and-needing-approval/" title="Dialogue with a friend">Dialogue with a friend</a>)</p>
<p>Hi Amber,<br />
In regards to ego-self and Divine Self, and self-realisation as opposed to Self-Realisation. Well, I don&#8217;t have an immediate brief answer to this question. I could explain it in a much longer reply but I don&#8217;t feel to just now (most likely because I want to go to bed shortly). What I will say is that the ego is always on the path of &#8220;attaining&#8221; something. It also seldom takes responsibility for what it is experiencing. It tends to project outward rather than turn everything inward. Hence if you are operating from that place then you will tend to see yourself relating to life in that way.</p>
<p>Divine Self (as you put it) has nothing to attain. It already is what it is &#8212; exactly as God created it. It&#8217;s only interest in this world is in letting go &#8212; in release. Release of that which is not real so that you wake up to what IS real. Divine Self tends to turn everything inward as opposed to projecting outward. Divine Self is joyful and peaceful. Ego-self is disturbed and quite often rather messed up.</p>
<p>Now, neither is right or wrong. Even if you experiencing yourself approaching life from what you might identify as &#8220;ego self&#8221;, your Divine Self is untouched by this. Hence it is a matter of choice (at some level). So the key is not to judge yourself when you are aware that you&#8217;re operating from what you might call ego-self. No, rather the key is to embrace everything. Love. Accept. Allow. Release. You can only release that which you are willing to gently and lovingly hold in your hand. Don&#8217;t fight with the ego-self. It&#8217;s neither good nor bad. It is whatever you make it.</p>
<p>In regards to the &#8220;Created by you&#8221; part. Well, it&#8217;s not so much that you are choosing suffering. The suffering part of your experience &#8212; I would say &#8212; is actually about how you choose to relate to what you are perceiving in your world. Resistance to what is tends to create the experience of pain. Pain is not &#8220;Bad&#8221; or &#8220;negative&#8221; &#8212; albeit it is not exactly pleasant when one is engaged in the experience of it. Pain is a perfect &#8220;mechanism&#8221; for waking us up to where and how we are forgetting our Divinity in any given moment.</p>
<p>Also, this word &#8220;choice&#8221; &#8212; It doesn&#8217;t feel accurate to say &#8220;you have chosen absolutely everything that has happened to you on this Earth&#8221;. Yes, choices are made. But the consequences are governed by certain laws and principles that have nothing to do with your choices (at least not at a level you&#8217;re likely to be conscious of).<br />
If I choose to bang my head against a wall and I feel pain in my head as a result, I have not exactly chosen to feel pain in my head. No, I simply choose to bang my head against a wall. The pain I feel in my head afterwards is simple a natural consequence of that action within this world of matter. We make so many choices in every moment right throughout time and space and the consequences of these can get rather intricate and complicated (from a human point of view). This is actualy a way of describing Karma.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all for now.</p>
<p>With love,<br />
Jonathan</p>
<p>PS. I am not sure what you mean by this sentence: &#8220;I’m wondering does there has to be ‘wounding’ at play with what arrives (or rather I have chosen) in my life and if love just dances with love, no unravelling required, no story to dismantle.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://feal.org/blog2/you-are-the-path.html/comment-page-1#comment-21895</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(NOTE: part of my response to a slight variation on Amber&#039;s comment is located at &lt;a href=&quot;http://feal.org/blog2/archives/2004/10/21/dialogue-relationship-and-needing-approval/&quot; title=&quot;Dialogue with a friend&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dialogue with a friend&lt;/a&gt;)

Hi Amber,
In regards to ego-self and Divine Self, and self-realisation as opposed to Self-Realisation. Well, I don&#039;t have an immediate brief answer to this question. I could explain it in a much longer reply but I don&#039;t feel to just now (most likely because I want to go to bed shortly). What I will say is that the ego is always on the path of &quot;attaining&quot; something. It also seldom takes responsibility for what it is experiencing. It tends to project outward rather than turn everything inward. Hence if you are operating from that place then you will tend to see yourself relating to life in that way.

Divine Self (as you put it) has nothing to attain. It already is what it is --- exactly as God created it. It&#039;s only interest in this world is in letting go --- in release. Release of that which is not real so that you wake up to what IS real. Divine Self tends to turn everything inward as opposed to projecting outward. Divine Self is joyful and peaceful. Ego-self is disturbed and quite often rather messed up.

Now, neither is right or wrong. Even if you experiencing yourself approaching life from what you might identify as &quot;ego self&quot;, your Divine Self is untouched by this. Hence it is a matter of choice (at some level). So the key is not to judge yourself when you are aware that you&#039;re operating from what you might call ego-self. No, rather the key is to embrace everything. Love. Accept. Allow. Release. You can only release that which you are willing to gently and lovingly hold in your hand. Don&#039;t fight with the ego-self. It&#039;s neither good nor bad. It is whatever you make it.

In regards to the &quot;Created by you&quot; part. Well, it&#039;s not so much that you are choosing suffering. The suffering part of your experience --- I would say --- is actually about how you choose to relate to what you are perceiving in your world. Resistance to what is tends to create the experience of pain. Pain is not &quot;Bad&quot; or &quot;negative&quot; --- albeit it is not exactly pleasant when one is engaged in the experience of it. Pain is a perfect &quot;mechanism&quot; for waking us up to where and how we are forgetting our Divinity in any given moment.

Also, this word &quot;choice&quot; --- It doesn&#039;t feel accurate to say &quot;you have chosen absolutely everything that has happened to you on this Earth&quot;. Yes, choices are made. But the consequences are governed by certain laws and principles that have nothing to do with your choices (at least not at a level you&#039;re likely to be conscious of).
If I choose to bang my head against a wall and I feel pain in my head as a result, I have not exactly chosen to feel pain in my head. No, I simply choose to bang my head against a wall. The pain I feel in my head afterwards is simple a natural consequence of that action within this world of matter. We make so many choices in every moment right throughout time and space and the consequences of these can get rather intricate and complicated (from a human point of view). This is actualy a way of describing Karma.

That&#039;s all for now.

With love,
Jonathan

PS. I am not sure what you mean by this sentence: &quot;I’m wondering does there has to be ‘wounding’ at play with what arrives (or rather I have chosen) in my life and if love just dances with love, no unravelling required, no story to dismantle.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(NOTE: part of my response to a slight variation on Amber&#8217;s comment is located at <a href="http://feal.org/blog2/archives/2004/10/21/dialogue-relationship-and-needing-approval/" title="Dialogue with a friend" rel="nofollow">Dialogue with a friend</a>)</p>
<p>Hi Amber,<br />
In regards to ego-self and Divine Self, and self-realisation as opposed to Self-Realisation. Well, I don&#8217;t have an immediate brief answer to this question. I could explain it in a much longer reply but I don&#8217;t feel to just now (most likely because I want to go to bed shortly). What I will say is that the ego is always on the path of &#8220;attaining&#8221; something. It also seldom takes responsibility for what it is experiencing. It tends to project outward rather than turn everything inward. Hence if you are operating from that place then you will tend to see yourself relating to life in that way.</p>
<p>Divine Self (as you put it) has nothing to attain. It already is what it is &#8212; exactly as God created it. It&#8217;s only interest in this world is in letting go &#8212; in release. Release of that which is not real so that you wake up to what IS real. Divine Self tends to turn everything inward as opposed to projecting outward. Divine Self is joyful and peaceful. Ego-self is disturbed and quite often rather messed up.</p>
<p>Now, neither is right or wrong. Even if you experiencing yourself approaching life from what you might identify as &#8220;ego self&#8221;, your Divine Self is untouched by this. Hence it is a matter of choice (at some level). So the key is not to judge yourself when you are aware that you&#8217;re operating from what you might call ego-self. No, rather the key is to embrace everything. Love. Accept. Allow. Release. You can only release that which you are willing to gently and lovingly hold in your hand. Don&#8217;t fight with the ego-self. It&#8217;s neither good nor bad. It is whatever you make it.</p>
<p>In regards to the &#8220;Created by you&#8221; part. Well, it&#8217;s not so much that you are choosing suffering. The suffering part of your experience &#8212; I would say &#8212; is actually about how you choose to relate to what you are perceiving in your world. Resistance to what is tends to create the experience of pain. Pain is not &#8220;Bad&#8221; or &#8220;negative&#8221; &#8212; albeit it is not exactly pleasant when one is engaged in the experience of it. Pain is a perfect &#8220;mechanism&#8221; for waking us up to where and how we are forgetting our Divinity in any given moment.</p>
<p>Also, this word &#8220;choice&#8221; &#8212; It doesn&#8217;t feel accurate to say &#8220;you have chosen absolutely everything that has happened to you on this Earth&#8221;. Yes, choices are made. But the consequences are governed by certain laws and principles that have nothing to do with your choices (at least not at a level you&#8217;re likely to be conscious of).<br />
If I choose to bang my head against a wall and I feel pain in my head as a result, I have not exactly chosen to feel pain in my head. No, I simply choose to bang my head against a wall. The pain I feel in my head afterwards is simple a natural consequence of that action within this world of matter. We make so many choices in every moment right throughout time and space and the consequences of these can get rather intricate and complicated (from a human point of view). This is actualy a way of describing Karma.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all for now.</p>
<p>With love,<br />
Jonathan</p>
<p>PS. I am not sure what you mean by this sentence: &#8220;I’m wondering does there has to be ‘wounding’ at play with what arrives (or rather I have chosen) in my life and if love just dances with love, no unravelling required, no story to dismantle.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://feal.org/blog2/you-are-the-path.html/comment-page-1#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say with  &quot;deep knowing that it’s all CREATED BY YOU AND FOR YOU&quot; are you saying that I have chosen everything I experience on this earth, everything?
If so, at what level of my being (do you suggest) I have made this choice and when? And why would I choose such suffering!?
&amp; 
What do you believe to be the resonance between myself and the seemingly &#039;out there&#039; experiences I have. Someone once said to me that our damaged selves  are drawn to another&#039;s, that is where the charge lies.  I did not like the idea of this at the time.   Now I can see some of the truth in what they say; that my &#039;damaged&#039; sense of self is drawn to people/institutions/places and manifests experiences that create a story, that holds the potential for healing to occur if I choose to disidentify and work to unravel it by remembering my divinity.
I&#039;m wondering does there has to be &#039;wounding&#039; at play with what arrives (or rather I have chosen) in my life and if love just dances with love, no unravelling required, no story to dismantle.
Also, you mentioned elsewhere and Debbie made suggestion of it in her writing (which is an interesting and provocative dialogue) about ego-self and divine self.
How does one know what is ego, what is divine?  How does one know if one is seeking self-realisation not Self realisation? ie. whether I&#039;m on a big ego trip or a genuine commitment to Self to healing and liberation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say with  &#8220;deep knowing that it’s all CREATED BY YOU AND FOR YOU&#8221; are you saying that I have chosen everything I experience on this earth, everything?<br />
If so, at what level of my being (do you suggest) I have made this choice and when? And why would I choose such suffering!?<br />
&#038;<br />
What do you believe to be the resonance between myself and the seemingly &#8216;out there&#8217; experiences I have. Someone once said to me that our damaged selves  are drawn to another&#8217;s, that is where the charge lies.  I did not like the idea of this at the time.   Now I can see some of the truth in what they say; that my &#8216;damaged&#8217; sense of self is drawn to people/institutions/places and manifests experiences that create a story, that holds the potential for healing to occur if I choose to disidentify and work to unravel it by remembering my divinity.<br />
I&#8217;m wondering does there has to be &#8216;wounding&#8217; at play with what arrives (or rather I have chosen) in my life and if love just dances with love, no unravelling required, no story to dismantle.<br />
Also, you mentioned elsewhere and Debbie made suggestion of it in her writing (which is an interesting and provocative dialogue) about ego-self and divine self.<br />
How does one know what is ego, what is divine?  How does one know if one is seeking self-realisation not Self realisation? ie. whether I&#8217;m on a big ego trip or a genuine commitment to Self to healing and liberation.</p>
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		<title>By: Amber</title>
		<link>http://feal.org/blog2/you-are-the-path.html/comment-page-1#comment-21894</link>
		<dc:creator>Amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say with  &quot;deep knowing that it’s all CREATED BY YOU AND FOR YOU&quot; are you saying that I have chosen everything I experience on this earth, everything?
If so, at what level of my being (do you suggest) I have made this choice and when? And why would I choose such suffering!?
&amp; 
What do you believe to be the resonance between myself and the seemingly &#039;out there&#039; experiences I have. Someone once said to me that our damaged selves  are drawn to another&#039;s, that is where the charge lies.  I did not like the idea of this at the time.   Now I can see some of the truth in what they say; that my &#039;damaged&#039; sense of self is drawn to people/institutions/places and manifests experiences that create a story, that holds the potential for healing to occur if I choose to disidentify and work to unravel it by remembering my divinity.
I&#039;m wondering does there has to be &#039;wounding&#039; at play with what arrives (or rather I have chosen) in my life and if love just dances with love, no unravelling required, no story to dismantle.
Also, you mentioned elsewhere and Debbie made suggestion of it in her writing (which is an interesting and provocative dialogue) about ego-self and divine self.
How does one know what is ego, what is divine?  How does one know if one is seeking self-realisation not Self realisation? ie. whether I&#039;m on a big ego trip or a genuine commitment to Self to healing and liberation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say with  &#8220;deep knowing that it’s all CREATED BY YOU AND FOR YOU&#8221; are you saying that I have chosen everything I experience on this earth, everything?<br />
If so, at what level of my being (do you suggest) I have made this choice and when? And why would I choose such suffering!?<br />
&amp;<br />
What do you believe to be the resonance between myself and the seemingly &#8216;out there&#8217; experiences I have. Someone once said to me that our damaged selves  are drawn to another&#8217;s, that is where the charge lies.  I did not like the idea of this at the time.   Now I can see some of the truth in what they say; that my &#8216;damaged&#8217; sense of self is drawn to people/institutions/places and manifests experiences that create a story, that holds the potential for healing to occur if I choose to disidentify and work to unravel it by remembering my divinity.<br />
I&#8217;m wondering does there has to be &#8216;wounding&#8217; at play with what arrives (or rather I have chosen) in my life and if love just dances with love, no unravelling required, no story to dismantle.<br />
Also, you mentioned elsewhere and Debbie made suggestion of it in her writing (which is an interesting and provocative dialogue) about ego-self and divine self.<br />
How does one know what is ego, what is divine?  How does one know if one is seeking self-realisation not Self realisation? ie. whether I&#8217;m on a big ego trip or a genuine commitment to Self to healing and liberation.</p>
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